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		<title>The Problem With the Origin of Evil</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 15:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Drew Costen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[First of all, I have to say that I love Bruxy Cavey and his take on things (Bruxy is the teaching pastor at The Meeting House, the church I&#8217;ve been sort of involved with, off and on, for the last few years here in Toronto), as well as his amazing book, The End of Religion:...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, I have to say that I love <a href="http://www.theendofreligion.org/?page_id=5" target="_blank">Bruxy Cavey</a> and his take on things (Bruxy is the teaching pastor at <a href="http://www.themeetinghouse.ca/" target="_blank">The Meeting House</a>, the church I&#8217;ve been sort of involved with, off and on, for the last few years here in Toronto), as well as his amazing book, <a href="http://www.theendofreligion.org/" target="_blank">The End of Religion: Encountering the Subversive Spirituality of Jesus</a>. Bruxy is willing to ask the hard questions about God that many Christians are afraid to even consider, and he seems to be comfortable with the fact that he might not always have all the answers.</p>
<p>Over the last few weeks he&#8217;s been giving an excellent series called &#8220;My God Why?&#8221; on the topic of questioning God over the existence of suffering and evil. It&#8217;s been an interesting look at the question of why God allows evil and suffering in the world, as well as asking whether it&#8217;s okay to be upset with God over it. I won&#8217;t go more into the previous weeks messages because I suggest listening to them yourself.</p>
<p>The reason for this post, however, is that I became very uncomfortable while listening to Bruxy give <a href="http://media.themeetinghouse.tv/vpodcast/2010-11-14-729-video.m4v" target="_blank">today&#8217;s sermon</a> on the topic of the origin of evil. He asked all the right questions, and brought up the logical argument that if God is all powerful and all knowing then He must ultimately be responsible for its existence. He then decided that, since God couldn&#8217;t have created evil, it must originate in man&#8217;s free will. I had a couple problems with this, the first being the sudden assumption, seemingly out of nowhere, that God couldn&#8217;t possibly have been responsible for evil&#8217;s existence.</p>
<p>I know that it seems like a noble thing to try to take the blame away from God, but doing so also takes away from the godness of God (or perhaps we should say the sovereignty of God, to use a more theological term. And as a quick aside for those who listened to last week&#8217;s sermon, there is also a theological term for the people Bruxy humourously called &#8220;bitterists.&#8221; They&#8217;re called &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misotheism" target="_blank">misotheists</a>&#8220;).</p>
<p>Trying to blame humanity&#8217;s free will also causes problems. I&#8217;ve <a href="http://www.christianheretic.com/2008/02/we-are-all-innocent.html" target="_blank">written about this before</a>, but human &#8220;free will&#8221; is a complete logical impossibility. We can make choices, but those choices are predetermined by our nurture and nature (both physical and spiritual). Sure, we have a will, but it&#8217;s anything but free. There&#8217;s no way around this that I&#8217;m aware of, and to simply wave our hands and say free will exists because we want it to doesn&#8217;t actually give us any answers or help us in any way.</p>
<p>Despite what I&#8217;m assuming is his desire to keep the blame for evil from falling on God, both logic and the Bible tell us that God is responsible. If God knew that Adam and Eve were going to sin (presuming the story in Genesis 3 actually literally happened) and still created them anyway, then He has to take the responsibility, there&#8217;s just no way around it. Considering the fact that free will doesn&#8217;t exist, there was no way that they weren&#8217;t going to eat the fruit. If God didn&#8217;t want evil to exist He never would have created the fruit or the talking snake.</p>
<p>In the end, though, God ultimately takes responsibility for evil anyway (at least He does if you believe the Bible). In <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=is%2045:7&#038;version=KJV" target="_blank">Isaiah 45:7</a>, God says, &#8220;I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.&#8221; (for those who aren&#8217;t using a Bible with Strongs numbers, the word for &#8220;evil&#8221; there is the Hebrew word <i>ra`</i>, the same word used in the name of the tree Adam and Eve ate from, &#8220;the tree of the knowledge of good and evil&#8221;).</p>
<p>We also read, in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=amos%203:6&#038;version=KJV" target="_blank">Amos 3:6</a>, &#8220;shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?&#8221;</p>
<p>And finally, simply put, &#8220;all things are of God&#8221; (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20cor%205:18&#038;version=KJV" target="_blank">2 Corinthians 5:18</a>).</p>
<p>It might seem honourable to try to blame humanity for evil, but God Himself takes the credit so we might as well let Him have it.</p>
<p>Having said all that, I also want to point out that using the word &#8220;evil&#8221; can completely distract us from the real problem, which is suffering. As I&#8217;ve previously <a href="http://www.christianheretic.com/2007/03/evil-doesnt-exist.html" target="_blank">written about</a>, evil doesn&#8217;t actually exist as an ontological &#8220;thing&#8221; (which, thankfully, Bruxy does briefly acknowledge). Suffering, however, is very real, and most of it originates in what we call &#8220;acts of God&#8221; (the figure of speech we use just goes to show that we recognize, even if only on a subconscious level, that God is ultimately responsible for the suffering we experience in this life).</p>
<p>There&#8217;s more I could say on all that, but I&#8217;ll end off by pointing out one more common evangelical assumption he made in the sermon, the idea that Satan was once good but fell from grace at some point in the past due to pride. The truth is, there&#8217;s nothing in the Bible that actually comes out and says this. In fact the Bible actually says that the devil was a murderer from the beginning (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%208:44&#038;version=KJV" target="_blank">John 8:44</a>), which indicates he was probably never actually good. There are a couple passages that evangelicals tend to read into when trying to back up this Christian urban legend, but it&#8217;s not good exegesis in my humble opinion.</p>
<p>All that being said, nobody is perfect and I still think Bruxy is great, and I would still recommend The Meeting House to any believer who is looking for something different than the usual &#8220;churchianity&#8221; if they&#8217;re still looking for a more institutional church sort of environment.</p>
<p><i>Quick note: This post was originally based on the notes I took on my iPhone during the sermon referenced here in this post. If you&#8217;ve already read this post but it now looks a little different to you, it&#8217;s because I&#8217;ve since expanded on my thoughts regarding the sermon now that I&#8217;ve been able to sit in front of a computer for a little while. Also, the title of this blog post is a play on the title of Bruxy&#8217;s last sermon, which was excellent.</i></p>
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		<title>Is it Evil or Sinful?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Drew Costen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding my post on evil on Tuesday, I was asked how I would define the difference between evil and sin. As I said in that post, I define evil as an action or experience which we perceive in a negative way. Sin is a bit trickier, but not much once you deconstruct it a little....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding <a href="http://www.christianheretic.com/2007/03/evil-doesnt-exist.html" target="_blank">my post on evil on Tuesday</a>, I was asked how I would define the difference between evil and sin.  As I said in that post, I define evil as an action or experience which we perceive in a negative way.  Sin is a bit trickier, but not much once you deconstruct it a little.  As most Christians are no doubt aware, &#8220;sin&#8221; literally means to &#8220;miss the mark.&#8221; From what I can tell, to sin is essentially to fail to be perfect at something, so if I am playing golf and fail to get a hole-in-one on every shot I have technically sinned.  From a theological perspective &#8220;sin&#8221; would be simply failing to do something God wants me to do or doing something God doesn&#8217;t want me to do (not being perfect from His perspective, in other words).  What makes this interesting is that something can be evil and not sinful at the same time, and vice-versa as well.  For instance, if God tells me to kill a random person on the street it would be evil but not sinful for me to do so, and likewise it would be sinful but not evil for me not to do so.  Let me know if that makes sense.</p>
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		<title>Evil Doesn&#8217;t Exist</title>
		<link>http://www.christianheretic.com/2007/03/evil-doesnt-exist.html</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Drew Costen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems that most people, whether they be religious or not, believe in something called evil. The problem is, there is actually no such thing as evil because &#8220;evil&#8221; is really nothing more than an English word we use to label an action or experience which we perceive in a negative way. If nobody had...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that most people, whether they be religious or not, believe in something called evil. The problem is, there is actually no such <i>thing</i> as evil because &#8220;evil&#8221; is really nothing more than an English word we use to label an action or experience which we perceive in a negative way.  If nobody had emotions or the ability to feel discomfort or pain then nobody would believe in evil.  This goes for good as well, by the way.</p>
<p>One key to understanding all of this, at least from a Christian perspective, is to remember is that evil and sin are two completely different concepts.</p>
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