Comments on: Questioning Your Presuppositions http://www.christianheretic.com/2010/05/questioning-your-presuppositions.html Just because it's "orthodox" doesn't mean it's true Tue, 07 Feb 2012 11:11:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: llamafarmingguru http://www.christianheretic.com/2010/05/questioning-your-presuppositions.html/comment-page-1#comment-180 llamafarmingguru Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:31:00 +0000 http://www.christianheretic.com/?p=226#comment-180 This is definately an article i identify with 100%, the taking apart of ones imposed belief structures can seem lonely and difficult at times and it is good to know there are other people who are on the same journey. i still go to a pentecostal church because quite frankly they love and serve the community, but i find no identity with my beliefs there. excellent writing This is definately an article i identify with 100%, the taking apart of ones imposed belief structures can seem lonely and difficult at times and it is good to know there are other people who are on the same journey. i still go to a pentecostal church because quite frankly they love and serve the community, but i find no identity with my beliefs there. excellent writing

]]> By: Sammy http://www.christianheretic.com/2010/05/questioning-your-presuppositions.html/comment-page-1#comment-179 Sammy Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:39:00 +0000 http://www.christianheretic.com/?p=226#comment-179 Randyalex44, you have a wrong view of universalism. We do believe in punishment and we do believe in the need to be saved. There are consequences for sin. We just believe that God's punishment is corrective, not retributive, and has the ultimate goal of saving all his human children, not abandoning them to eternal punishment. Where did anyone say "Nobody can do any wrong" That's absolutely absurd. You are building a strawman argument against us. If you disagree with us, fine. I respect that. But don't misrepresent what universalism is and then tear down your own misrepresentation. In my opinion, that is a form of lying. Is the only reason you live well is because you want to get into heaven or because you are scared of hell? Being free from that fear lets you be good because you are filled with the love of God, not because you want a reward or fear punishment. It is an incredible feeling. http://scientificuniversalist.blogspot.com/ Randyalex44, you have a wrong view of universalism. We do believe in punishment and we do believe in the need to be saved. There are consequences for sin. We just believe that God’s punishment is corrective, not retributive, and has the ultimate goal of saving all his human children, not abandoning them to eternal punishment.

Where did anyone say “Nobody can do any wrong” That’s absolutely absurd. You are building a strawman argument against us. If you disagree with us, fine. I respect that. But don’t misrepresent what universalism is and then tear down your own misrepresentation. In my opinion, that is a form of lying.

Is the only reason you live well is because you want to get into heaven or because you are scared of hell? Being free from that fear lets you be good because you are filled with the love of God, not because you want a reward or fear punishment. It is an incredible feeling.

http://scientificuniversalist.blogspot.com/

]]> By: Randyalex44 http://www.christianheretic.com/2010/05/questioning-your-presuppositions.html/comment-page-1#comment-116 Randyalex44 Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:33:00 +0000 http://www.christianheretic.com/?p=226#comment-116 sounds like you guys are stuck on the (hell) conversation. You have a presupposition of your own. You seem to think that God doesn't need to punish. Your movement propogates laziness. "Don't do anything and you will be saved" What do we need to be saved from then? You spend a lot of time trying to "fight the man" and prove something that you don't need to prove(if you are correct in your understanding of soteria). Why would anyone want to live well if there are no consequences to living poorly? Please bring some clear "reason" to your point. It seems like you are mad at somebody who offended you. Ill continue to read your articles because I want to try to understand where this would come from, but you have placed a hard burden on me to pray for you to come to know Christ yourself. The spirit cannot lead people away from himself. I am a soldier with many battle scars and very many battle experiences who can attest to the cost of serving your own desires. There are consequences in this life for not serving Christ. The church is growing all over the world except where there is no difficulty for christians. The world that you are trying to build is the world that the Lord wants to destroy. Look at the complacency of the west. "Nobody can do any wrong" Wow! I am surprised that you have been sucked into trusting your own conclusions in this way. Salvation comes from without, not within. Truth is discerned by the spirit who indwells. Believers don't "blindly follow the leader" We read and study and research origins. We spend a lot more time researching than we do in church listening to the pastor. Oh and let's not forget praying to God Himself who gives us direction in life. If you lean on your own understanding you are walking away from truth. Our minds will deceive us and lead us on all kinds of worthless ventures if we let it. Don't lead people down the wrong path. If you do something wrong there are consequences. Why wouldn't God punish? sounds like you guys are stuck on the (hell) conversation. You have a presupposition of your own. You seem to think that God doesn’t need to punish. Your movement propogates laziness. “Don’t do anything and you will be saved” What do we need to be saved from then? You spend a lot of time trying to “fight the man” and prove something that you don’t need to prove(if you are correct in your understanding of soteria). Why would anyone want to live well if there are no consequences to living poorly? Please bring some clear “reason” to your point. It seems like you are mad at somebody who offended you.
Ill continue to read your articles because I want to try to understand where this would come from, but you have placed a hard burden on me to pray for you to come to know Christ yourself. The spirit cannot lead people away from himself. I am a soldier with many battle scars and very many battle experiences who can attest to the cost of serving your own desires. There are consequences in this life for not serving Christ.
The church is growing all over the world except where there is no difficulty for christians. The world that you are trying to build is the world that the Lord wants to destroy. Look at the complacency of the west. “Nobody can do any wrong” Wow! I am surprised that you have been sucked into trusting your own conclusions in this way.
Salvation comes from without, not within.
Truth is discerned by the spirit who indwells. Believers don’t “blindly follow the leader” We read and study and research origins. We spend a lot more time researching than we do in church listening to the pastor. Oh and let’s not forget praying to God Himself who gives us direction in life. If you lean on your own understanding you are walking away from truth. Our minds will deceive us and lead us on all kinds of worthless ventures if we let it. Don’t lead people down the wrong path.
If you do something wrong there are consequences.
Why wouldn’t God punish?

]]> By: Fred http://www.christianheretic.com/2010/05/questioning-your-presuppositions.html/comment-page-1#comment-95 Fred Thu, 19 Aug 2010 04:16:00 +0000 http://www.christianheretic.com/?p=226#comment-95 "Everyone who tells me something I don't like is lying," is a presupposition too. As unconscious on your part probably as any church folk who may actually be confused on some small point. Trusting your own infinite wisdom seems as fundamentally flawed a presupposition as any. “Everyone who tells me something I don’t like is lying,” is a presupposition too. As unconscious on your part probably as any church folk who may actually be confused on some small point. Trusting your own infinite wisdom seems as fundamentally flawed a presupposition as any.

]]> By: Drew C - The Christian Heretic http://www.christianheretic.com/2010/05/questioning-your-presuppositions.html/comment-page-1#comment-82 Drew C - The Christian Heretic Sat, 05 Jun 2010 19:29:59 +0000 http://www.christianheretic.com/?p=226#comment-82 I'm glad you enjoyed it. I liked your recent blog post on the Bible too, by the way. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I liked your recent blog post on the Bible too, by the way.

]]> By: Drew C - The Christian Heretic http://www.christianheretic.com/2010/05/questioning-your-presuppositions.html/comment-page-1#comment-83 Drew C - The Christian Heretic Sat, 05 Jun 2010 19:29:15 +0000 http://www.christianheretic.com/?p=226#comment-83 Thanks Patrick. I hope you enjoyed the other articles. Thanks Patrick. I hope you enjoyed the other articles.

]]> By: Sarah Taylor http://www.christianheretic.com/2010/05/questioning-your-presuppositions.html/comment-page-1#comment-81 Sarah Taylor Sat, 05 Jun 2010 06:46:05 +0000 http://www.christianheretic.com/?p=226#comment-81 I can definitely relate to a this, Drew...it was fun to read. I can definitely relate to a this, Drew…it was fun to read.

]]> By: Patrick http://www.christianheretic.com/2010/05/questioning-your-presuppositions.html/comment-page-1#comment-80 Patrick Sat, 29 May 2010 22:20:41 +0000 http://www.christianheretic.com/?p=226#comment-80 I see that yo've written a lot, and I'll be checking out your archive later. I just wanted to encourage your perspective here. You said, "Christians don’t become heretics to win friends and influence people. Rather, we become heretics because we’re more interested in truth than in dogma." Ironically, you will have more positive influence for the true Gospel and be a better evangelist by shedding the unnecessary burden of orthodoxy's yoke. In fact, as more of us meet like this, the Gospel has a real chance of spreading once again. Keep up the good work. I see that yo've written a lot, and I'll be checking out your archive later. I just wanted to encourage your perspective here. You said, “Christians don’t become heretics to win friends and influence people. Rather, we become heretics because we’re more interested in truth than in dogma.” Ironically, you will have more positive influence for the true Gospel and be a better evangelist by shedding the unnecessary burden of orthodoxy's yoke. In fact, as more of us meet like this, the Gospel has a real chance of spreading once again. Keep up the good work.

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